Why are we so rubbish this year

Ouch! touche Russian! you've got us all there! Answer me this...are you, or were you ever, a rugby player in Mount 1sts? If so then maybe your opinion could be valued. But since not, keep that top lip pursed and say nowt eh? The 2nds haven't got any problems, and unless you've ignorantly abused this forum, the 2nds are the only teamthat have brought any silverware to this club in the last 5 years. Shows you how good the 1sts are eh? And as for grammar, if you take the piss out of someone else, epect it back, it's a bloody forum afterall you donkey!! It's not a case of our 2nds not being ABLE to break into the 1sts, rather a case of our 2nds being ARSED to break into the 1sts. Why go into the 1sts for a far inferior experience of rugby? Rugby is about having a laugh and enjoying what you're doing, if you can find a 1st team player who can honestly and wholeheartedly admit to that then maybe we can talk! Here's an idea, why don't you pay attention to more than one team on a Saturday?? If you want the best Mount team possible then maybe you should not worry about whether or not they're training, but rather if they're good enough then they should be in team. As regards to those boys you slagged off Russian, yes I do believe all fo those would competently compete, or if not do better than those already in their positions. How the heck can a 2nds team be abused?? You clearly have no idea here.

To answer your question YES i have played 1st team rugby.
If rugby is about having a laugh why have you brought up the cup the 2nds have won. Just curious how many teams enter that cup and how many rounds did mount play to reach the finals. Was it 2 rounds last year. Bet the all blacks are shitting themselves
Let me ask u a question have u ever played 1st team rugby because it sounds to me like you have not got a clue. If the 2nds are happy where they are and i Quote `cant be arsed to get into the 1st` why are they bitching on here. And i think if you ask every 1st team player on sat where they would rather be they would say the 1st everytime.
And any 1st team player who reads this please give your view on this matter.
And incase you had not noticed the 1st are the club. Without the 1st there would be no club. Thats our shop window. Thats who sponsers pay money for. Thats who the wru give money to. Thats who people pay to watch. And without the 1st there would be no 2nds mong. So Just go training and put some effort into rugby.

No mate, you've got it back to front. There would be no 1sts without the 2nds. Without the 2nds the club would have no feed of players, nowhere for youngsters to learn the trade thus rendering the club without a 1st team good enough to compete. The 2nds have proved that they can win things whilst having a laugh-thus proving it's about having a laugh. Where are these 2nd team players "bitching on here" then? I can't quite make any out at the moment.

A Club without second team rugby dies on its feet over time,,
A 2nd team is needed no matter what .
If only 50% of the 2nd team what to gain access to the 1st so be it.
The main thing is people play with a smile on their face and enjoy the game, go back have a pint and feel part of a team.
THE MAIN THING THOUGH WE ALL HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK ON MONDAY WHAT EVER TEAM WE PLAY FOR !!!

lets be honest the club needs a 1st xv and a 2nd xv to servive. the simple fact is apart from a few people who play in the 2nd who are able to break into the 1st xv the rest arnt good enough and they need to admit that. the seconds is a totaly different kettle of fish to the 1st xv, being a good 2nd team player doesent make you a good 1st xv player. in that case some boys in the 2nds do play for the enjoyment and you cant argue with that. out of choice though i would rather be in the 1st xv every week than in the 2nds, thats the goal some people like being averga others like pushing their selves and being the best they can be and that means playing for the 1st team in this case. on the issue of silverwaer some boys in the 1st team palyed in the finals of the ivor williams cup which goes to show they have gone on to bigger and better things and have done their talking on the field. as for the 1st xv they gained promotion from div 3 a few season back which was a massive achievment, the league is the bread and butter of the club and the 1st were also 1 point from promotion last year, lets be honest the club is definatly going in the right direction so you cant say the 1st havent achieved anything. some people have massive chips on their shoulders and need to man up get on with it if yoiu think your good enough, just turning up ttraining isnt good enough, get fit get hungry, improve and want that 1st team place.

I think thats a bit wrong of you there russian all 5 of those boys metioned definateley should or can play first team rugby and have. When some of the 1st play consistantly mediorcarly and there is some of them which aren't setting the world alight why shouldn't these boys be given a chance? Remeber there are times when these boys have stepped in and have done the job. Like chris roberts against tredegar on ly to be dropped the next week. So if like you say the 5 boys I mentioned a few days ago are not good enough to play then maybe there should be no 2nd team cos they are according to russians opinion not good enough for the 1sts then lets see what happens when your regulars drop out against teams.

The subject of this thread has changed direction a bit too as when it was started the 1sts were struggling and admittedly looked like there needed to have some changes made, now they have won 3 games on the trot everything is hunky-dory. At the moment if the 1sts keep winning there will be no need for change, but the 2nds is integral to the club no matter how good or bad the player is. But they seiriously do need to start training cos its not fair on the coaches who take them and the other boys who do put the effort in.

By the way my name is AAAAAAAAAAAAA because its easy to spell!!!!!!! LOl

First of all clubs can survive without 2nds teams. None of the top sides have 2nd times even before the regions came along. Teams like cardiff, swansea and pontypridd deemed it unnessary for 2nd teams. You look at the welsh set up. Theres no wales A anymore. Same goes for the all blacks. No all black A. So as far as i am concerned that arguement is totally flawed. A second team is a good thing to have if treated with the respect it requires. Players in the 2nds only ambition should be to play for the 1st. Because end of the day thats why its there. To feed the 1st. If players in the 2nds are not training causing unrest within the club and basically cannot be arsed then questions have to be asked about the 2nds. I mean all those players that was named that should get into the 1st how can the progress if the 2nd players around them cant be arsed. Keith th said it best theres alot of players with chips on shoulders so maybe they should pull there socks up and grow the F£$k up.

how dull is that, no you are right the all blacks have not got a 2ands but they have got a sguad of over 200 tho they can pick from, ponty dont need a 2ands cos they call from other clubs but mount cant

Frank my friend u are wrong. Yes Ponty, can call from other clubs. But the difference is. The players who they do call up have ambition, Drive and want to better themselves. We have a 2nd team that does not train and have no ambition to play for the 1st. Which as become apparant on this forum. So we could get a 4th side does not mean we would have a quality 1st team. Just alot more whinging players moaning on here that they are not getting there chance.

Actually boys, the All Blacks have got a 2nd string, they're called the Junior All Blacks. Seems to me Russian, that if anyone has a chip on their shoulder it's you. I think the title to start was "why are we so sh*t this year", a debate you started if I may recall. Your fickleness is a trademark Welsh trait as you're now happily patting the 1sts on the back whilst simultaneously slagging the 2nds off. Seeme to me as if you've had an "about turn" on your opinion as regards to those 2nds boys put forward as possible 1st team players aswell. Don't think you've quite managed the idea of debates and creating an effective counter argument that you're willing to stick to yet have you?

If u had any rugby knowledge at all anon. Yoy would realise that in the all blacks 124 year history the junior all blacks have played 9 times. Hardly a regular thing now is it. That averages out at 1 game every 13 years. mmm feeling a bit dull now.
Yes you are right i did start this thread off. Solely to understand where we are going wrong from last year. My response seemed to come from 2nd team players blaming team selection and dare i say it a clique in the 1st team.
But having read several messages on here and talked to several 1st players and coaches. It seems to me that the 2nds have no right to slag any one of because they are not there to train to begin. Yes i did ask to name the players that are shining in the 2nds but lets be honest are any of those players on top of there games this year. The apperances they have made for the 1st team have hardly set the world on fire and are no better than the current players. All i have said is that the 2nds cannot expect to just turn up and get there chance. You have to work hard too. A large number of our first team began life in 2nds but worked hard to get where they are. I.e the young prop monkey and owen roberts where both 2nd players at start of season but worked hard to get where they are. The 2nds does work if not abused.

Russian,

When Mount Got promoted from division 3, some of those 5 players were actually playing for the Firsts (Darren Lewis, Nigey Robs). One actully came back from a higher division to lay for Mount. Or have i got that wrong?

You're right Russian if I did have any rugby knowledge in the world, any at all, I'd have obviously known that the Junior All Blacks have only played 9 times ever... Pfft, what am I like? Your rugby knowledge is far superior to all on this forum, and all should covet you for it, oh great god of rugby. But going back to my original point, they do, nonetheless have a 2nd string team, whether it be the Junior All Blacks or the Maori. Therefore they have a 2nd team? Or are these teams just make believe? Please set the record straight, so I can sleep tonight. Please.

Anon once again i must prove your rugby knowledge wrong. Selection for the maori side is purely on maori ancestory. I.e Dan carter and Richie mccaw do not qualify and will never qualify due to lack of maori blood. So the maori can never be seen as a true second team. Because once again ONLY MAORI QUALIFY. Has far as the junior all balcks are concerned 9 tests in 124 years mmm. Not really regualar is it. But if we go on you basis we should now erect a third team captains bored up in the club because we had one for 2 seasons 12 years ago. I will get onyo the commitee straight away.
Sinbad you are right nigel roberts was part of the promtion winning side 3 years ago and so was darren lewis. But heres the problem. THAT WAS 3 YEARS AGO. Is either training regualar now. Once again on your basis. I will phone steve pascoe, Monkey and John Gibbon because they got us promoted 15 years ago. I mean they got us promoted they must be still good.
Sweet Dreams x

Your views on the 2nd team are questionable. If we dont need them lets do away with them and then we will see what happens to the 1sts. And just to ask why would the all blacks etc. need a 2nd team when they got provincial teams and club teams to keep the players playing at a regular level I think your arguement is floored using that analogy cos you cant put mount in the same boat as the all blacks an Oz etc.

By the way ever broken down the word supporter. Support- er ncant say that you are really doing a good job of that if thats you attitude towards the teams in the club. A more posative spin on things would be better.

Dammit! you've got me again! Man, you really are the dogs bollocks here!! Although these days Maori ancestory aplies to anyone with 1/16 blood maori which means nigh on everyone other than...apparently Dan Carter and Richie McCaw, but don't worry your word is God so no worries as to being proven wrong. "As" (not 'has' you illiterate fool) far as the Junior All Blacks go, their history according to you only stretches back 2 years, so they don't actually have a 124 year history so you're kicking yourself in the cock before you start. You won't 'get onto the committee straight away' mate, because you're a nobody, like all of us, like everyone of us on this blog, you couldn't do sweet FA. You should probably get on the phone to Gibbon and the likes so we could actually dominate teams these days, although I'm pretty sure Gibbon would say he's pretty happy up Abercwmboi at the moment, not that I blame him one iota. This club, as much as I love it, needs to sort its self out and it's not going to happen overnight, and it's not going to happen with narrow-minded people like you, Russian, behind the club.

Bloody hell no talking to somepeople. Your argument was that the all blacks have a second team `the junior all blacks all i stated was this team cannot be called a 2nd team because of it short history. The same as the new zealand barbarians cannot be called a 2nd team. Ok then you only need to be 1/16th to be classified as maori. But Dan carter and ricjie mccaw are a bloody big loss mate. Thats just 2 i named what about justin marshall, andrew merhterns, jonah lomu, sean fitzpatrick, ma nonu, Colin meads quite big players in all black history dont u think.
I dont think we should disband the seconds i just think that the players on here bitching should get back to what they love. And stop crying because the coaches dont pick them. The 2nds have served our club well over the years many of the current 1st have played there. But it seem sthe current crop of seconds are too busy telling me about all black history and not going to gym and working there beer guts off.
I would like to take this oppurtnity to apolgize for any spelling or literate mistakes.

Sweet dreams

Granted, but who says I'm a second team player?

Your bitter and twisted ways

haha orite butt. Neither team, as an idiviudal side, really has a place in my heart, and I've been involved with both if I'm honest. But wouldn't you say that if there is a rift between the two sides, then surely the officials of the club have something to do with that? I mean it's not solely down to the players is it? But then that's coming from the inside looking out as opposed to yourself who seems to be an outsider looking in. The whole idea of a rift is nonsense, all those who entertain the idea only promote it like a snowball effect.

You are right things like this do take a snowball effect and its all a laugh at the end of the day. Though i am am a firm believer in you only get out what you put in. I have seen a lot of talent over the years not reach full potential because it was easier to blame others rather then be honest with themselves. I might be outsider in some context. But it if 2nd team players do feel like they are being alienated why dont they have the balls to approach the coaches. If they love the game that much they would fight for it.

Anyway, back to the rugby! With a near-fully fit squad to choose from, I think we can kick on in the 2nd half of the season, and aim for a top 3 finish.

We need to pick up bonus points along the way, especially against the likes of Abergavenny, Abercynon and Treherbet, all of which are to be played at home!

Tredegar have apparently signed 4 players from X Keys, so I think they have to be favourites to go up, as they have the cash to splash, and are currently top of the tree.

Hope this weeks game goes ahead, what a boring few Saturdays it's been!

I AGREE TOP 3 for here on in ,, boys are all in good spirt training as been good in the dutch barn so everyone is looking forward to getting on with it.

There needs to be more love shown between all men at MARFC, I learnt this trick inside and would like to share the experience with all the players and supporters, theres even room for a little russian.

Steve